
323: ‘Skeptical Not Cynical’, With Matthew Panzarino
The Talk Show With John Gruber
09/28/21
•99m
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Matthew Panzarino returns to the show to talk about the new iPhones 13 and their camera systems.
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Links:
- Panzarino’s iPhone 13 review.
- My iPhone 13 review.
- Panzarino’s follow-up feature on Cinematic mode, interviewing Apple’s Kaiann Drance and Johnnie Manzari, and my comments thereupon.
- A typical good dedicated macro lens: Canon’s $1,300 100mm ƒ/2.8 USM.
- ‘Float’ — Aundre Larrow’s beautiful short film, shot on an iPhone 13 Pro using Cinematic mode.
- Austin Mann’s iPhone 13 Pro camera review, from a safari in Tanzania, and my comments, from my home office in Philadelphia.
- From the DF Archive 2007: “iPhone First Impressions”.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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322: ‘It Was More Arial Than Helvetica’, With Rene Ritchie
September 18, 2021
•124m
Rene Ritchie returns to the show for a recap of this week’s “California Streaming” Apple Event: the iPhones 13, Apple Watch Series 7, and new iPads. Also, last week’s decision in the Apple v. Epic lawsuit.
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Links:
- Apple’s event page for “California Streaming”.
- Yours truly’s thoughts and observations.
- Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers’s decision in the Apple v. Epic case.
- Stephen Warwick’s humorous summary of the decision.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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324: ‘A Pretty Generic Thing You Stick in a Hole’, With Jason Snell
September 30, 2021
•140m
Jason Snell returns to the show to talk about the new iPhones 13, new iPad Mini, Safari 15’s craptacular new tab UI, and the insightful questions posed to Kevin Durant on the Brooklyn Nets’ media day from Basketball Digest’s best NBA reporter.
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Links:
- Garmin Adventure Watches.
- Daring Fireball: “Why Does the iPhone Still Use Lightning?”
- Jason's iPad Mini review.
- My iPad Mini review.
- Steve Krug’s “Don’t Make Me Think”.
- Don Norman’s “The Design of Everyday Things”, which I conflated with Krug’s “Don’t Make Me Think” during the show, but about which Jason promptly corrected me.
- “Downstream” — Jason’s new podcast with Julia Alexander.
- “This is Dave from Basketball Digest.”
- “My Next Guest Needs no Introduction”.
- “The PosCast” with Joe Posnanski and Michael Schur.
- New Orleans Pelicans.
- Charlotte Hornets.
- Utah Jazz.
- Giants and Dodgers.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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