453: ‘What’s in Louie’s Wallet’, With Louie Mantia
The Talk Show With John Gruber
07/31/26
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Louie Mantia returns to the show to talk about the state of UI and icon design on Apple's platforms, and some speculation on Apple's trade secret lawsuit against OpenAI.
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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.
Links:
- Louie on the squircle: “The Shape of Apps”.
- Me, linking to Louie on the squircle.
- Louie on Alan Dye: “A Responsibility to the Industry”.
- Me: “Bad Dye Job”.
- Me, after WWDC 2025, comparing Dye’s introduction of Liquid Glass to Steve Jobs’s introduction of Aqua back in January 2000.
- UI designer Chan Karunamuni’s tweet on Steve Lemay: “Steve’s been my manager for my entire 15 year career so far at Apple and I could not be more excited for this new era.”.
- Karunamuni’s Twitter/X account, with links regarding Liquid Glass, the Dynamic Island, and the cool Flashlight beam UI.
- Louie on The Talk Show last year.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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Quinn Nelson returns to the show to discuss OpenAI’s ChatGPT/Codex “native” app migration fiasco, Siri AI in Apple’s OS 27 betas, MacOS 27 Golden Gate, and the hottest new cell phone of the year, the Trump T1.
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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.
Links:
- Quinn’s hilarious but utterly fair review of the Trump T1.
- Quinn: “Apple Just Fixed Mac Gaming and Said Nothing”.
- John Siracusa on ATP endorsing Quinn’s idea for an Apple gaming console.
- Valve founder/CEO Gabe Newell on working with Apple.
- “Stupid-Americans are the New Irish-Americans, Trump is Their JFK”, by “tarltontarlton” on Reddit (and posted here on Daring Fireball).
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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454: ‘Getting the Snack Right’, With Chance Miller
August 10
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Chance Miller returns to the show. Topics include iOS 27’s progress over summer, live baseball in Vision Pro, the RAM crisis, Apple’s trade secret lawsuit against OpenAI and io, and the EU/DMA situation.
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- Notion: The collaborative AI workspace where teams and agents work side by side, with a Developer Platform teams can build on.
Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.
Links:
- “Friday Night Baseball” to Begin Apple Immersive Broadcasts for Vision Pro.
- OpenAI Responds to Apple’s Lawsuit and Motion for Preliminary Injunction.
- OpenAI Files 28-Page Motion to Dismiss Apple’s Lawsuit.
- Kotoba: The Best iOS Dictionary App You’ve Never Heard Of.
- Will Hains: iOS Version History.
- Apple Newsroom in November 2022: “Update on Supply of iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max”.
- European Commission: ‘Guidance to Google for AI Interoperability on Android & Sharing of Google Search’.
- Chance’s regular podcasts: 9to5Mac Daily, and 9to5Mac Happy Hour.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Jim Metzendorf.
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