
354: ‘Get Me to the Fainting Couch’, With John Moltz
The Talk Show With John Gruber
08/18/22
•150m
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Very special guest John Moltz returns to the show to talk about Center Stage, Stage Manager, and all the other stages.
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- Niki Tonsky on Twitter on MacOS 13 Settings.
- Craig Federighi on Stage Manager at this year's The Talk Show Live From WWDC.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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353: ‘Shop Different’, With Michael Steeber
July 31, 2022
•124m
Special guest Michael Steeber joins the show to discuss his new project, The Apple Store Time Machine — an intricately-detailed explorable walkthrough of four of Apple’s original retail stores.
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Links:
- Michael Steeber’s homepage.
- The App Store Time Machine.
- Steeber’s first crack at the idea of recreating original Apple Stores virtually, this one using ARKit last year.
- Tabletops, Steeber’s newsletter.
- Steeber’s Apple Store Glossary.
- A 4-minute video from the grand opening of the Glendale Galleria Apple Store on 19 May 2001. Apple opened its first two stores that day — in Glendale, California and Tysons, Virginia. Customers waited for three hours to enter the store and were happy to do so.
- Signage outside the Lincoln Park Apple Store in Chicago, with “Apple Store” anachronistically set in Apple Garamond.
- Apple Marina Bay Sands, in Singapore. Just gorgeous.
- Apple Carnegie Library, in Washington, DC.
- Apple Tower Theatre, in Los Angeles.
- Apple Walnut Street, in always-sunny Philadelphia.
- Walnut Street ransacked and burned during the George Floyd riots on 30 May 2020.
- My Instagram photo of the employee-painted mural coming to life on the boarded-up Walnut Street Apple Store, 13 June 2020. (Original JPEG, for posterity after Facebook collapses.)
- The finished mural.
- Bill Gates’s apparently apocryphal quote that “640K ought to be enough for anybody.”
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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355: ‘The Creaturest of Habits’, With Daniel Jalkut
August 26, 2022
•150m
Daniel Jalkut returns to the show. Topics include a serious discussion about CSAM detection at major cloud storage providers and messaging services. Also, a deep dive regarding the new iOS-UI-style rewrite of System Settings on the still-in-beta MacOS 13 Ventura, and thoughts on SwiftUI in general.
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Links:
- Kashmir Hill's report for the NYT: "A Dad Took Photos of His Naked Toddler for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal."
- System Settings in MacOS 13 Ventura:
- Me, at DF: "The Fit and Finish of the All-New System Settings on MacOS 13 Ventura".
- Jalkut, at his Bitsplitting blog: "Disciplined Innovation".
- MarsEdit 5 will support Markdown syntax coloring. Finally.
- Red Sweater Software.
- Core Intuition, the podcast Jalkut cohosts with Manton Reece.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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