
310: ‘Russian Nesting Doll Code’, With Jason Snell
The Talk Show With John Gruber
03/23/21
•151m
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Special guest Jason Snell joins the show to reminisce over 20 years of Mac OS X. I mean OS X. Sorry, MacOS. Also: HomePod, Apple TV, and Intel’s awkward new ad campaign.
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Links:
- The 20 Macs for 2020 podcast project, now with all three bonus content episodes with yours truly.
- [Apple’s March 21, 2001 press release announcing Mac OS X 10.0’s release, including where to buy it (it came in a box and cost $129)](. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2001/03/21Mac-OS-X-Hits-Stores-This-Weekend/).
- Jason in August 2000: “Mac OS X: The Full Story”.
- Jason’s 10.1 story for Macworld.
- Steve Jobs claiming in 2005 — announcing the Mac’s Intel transition — that Mac OS X had set up Apple “for the next 20 years”.
- Jason: “Can Apple Explain Its Home Strategy?”.
- iMac Pro canceled in Friday night announcement.
- HomePod canceled the next Friday night.
- Dan Frakes’s review of the iPod Hi-Fi in 2006.
- Yours truly on Intel’s new “Go PC” campaign with Justin Long: “Intel Goes Long” and “Going Longer”.
- Stickergate.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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309: ‘Pinkies on the Semicolon’, With John Siracusa
February 27, 2021
•173m
The state of the Mac, with special guest John Siracusa.
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- Siracusa’s Mac OS X reviews:
- OS X 10.10 Yosemite
- OS X 10.9 Mavericks
- OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion
- Mac OS X 10.7 Lion
- Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
- Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard
- Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
- Mac OS X 10.3 Panther
- Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar
- Mac OS X 10.1
- Mac OS X 10.0
- Mac OS X DP4
- Mac OS X DP3
- Mac OS X DP2
- Siracusa’s entire archive at Ars Technica
- Hypercritical — Siracusa’s seldom-updated website
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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311: ‘Toaster Fridgey’, With Rene Ritchie
March 31, 2021
•115m
Rene Ritchie returns to the show to speculate about pending Apple product announcements and events. Lots of guessing, no wagering.
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Links:
- WWDC starts June 7.
- Gurman rumor of a rugged Apple Watch.
- Rene’s YouTube channel.
- Rene’s first year as an indie video maker, by the numbers.
- MacBreak Weekly, which Rene now co-hosts..
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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