
286: Remote From WWDC 2020 With Craig Federighi and Greg Joswiak
The Talk Show With John Gruber
06/24/20
•95m
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John Gruber is joined by Craig Federighi and Greg Joswiak to discuss the news from WWDC 2020: the Mac’s transition to Apple silicon, MacOS 11 Big Sur, iOS and iPadOS 14, and more.
Video of this show is available on YouTube.
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Links:
- The WWDC 2020 Keynote.
- Apple announces Mac transition to Apple silicon.
- MacOS 11 Big Sur — new UI and all-new Catalyst-based version of Messages.
- iOS 14 — home screen widgets and app clips. And, finally, incoming phone call notifications don’t take over your entire screen.
- iPadOS 14 — new handwriting features with Apple Pencil.
- WatchOS 7 — watch face sharing, sleep tracking, and hand-washing detection.
The audio version of this episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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285: ‘Fahrenheit Truthers’ With Ben Thompson
May 22, 2020
•144m
Ben Thompson returns to the show and there’s no sports talk because there’s no sports. Instead: temperature scales, Joe Rogan and Spotify, and Dithering.
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Links:
- Dithering.
- Ben at Stratechery: “Dithering and Open Versus Free.”
- Me at DF: “Dithering” and “More on Dithering”.
- Me at Macworld back in 2010: “It’s the heaviness of the Mac that allows iOS to remain light.”
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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287: ‘Patina of Usefulness’ With Matthew Panzarino
June 26, 2020
•79m
Special guest Matthew Panzarino joins the show to talk about WWDC 2020.
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Links:
- Panzarino's interview with Phil Schiller on Hey's rejection from the App Store.
- “The Talk Show Remote From WWDC 2020, With Craig Federighi and Greg Joswiak”.
- Apple’s WWDC 2020 keynote.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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