
272: ‘The Save Twitch’ With Rich Siegel
The Talk Show With John Gruber
12/24/19
•119m
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For your holiday listening enjoyment, very special guest Rich Siegel joins the show to talk about BBEdit’s past, present, and future, the state of developing for the Mac, and more.
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- My “Uses This” interview from 10 years ago.
- Andy Baio’s ten-years-delayed “Uses This” interview.
- Rich Siegel on Twitter.
- BBEdit’s public debut in April 1992.
- BBEdit’s 20th anniversary — nine years ago.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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271: ‘A Perfect Wheel’ With Jason Snell
December 12, 2019
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Special guest Jason Snell returns to the show for a brief chat about the new Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR, which are both — dare I say — finally available for ordering. Also: Ming Chi Kuo’s intriguing rumors on the 2020 and 2021 iPhone lineups.
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- Jason at Macworld: “The Mac Pro Is an Important Symbol, but You Probably Shouldn’t Buy It”.
- Greg Joswiak and Craig Federighi on stage at this year’s The Talk Show Live From WWDC, on the price of the Mac Pro’s optional wheels.
- The new Mac Pro has unique keyboard, trackpad, and mouse — black keys/glass and silver aluminum bottoms. It even comes with a black USB-C to Lightning cable and black power cable.
- Marques Brownlee’s Mac Pro review on YouTube. Also: Pro Display XDR.
- Justine Ezarik’s Mac Pro review on YouTube. Also: Behind the scenes.
- MacStories’ roundup of other Mac Pro / Pro Display XDR reviews and first impressions.
- Ming Chi Kuo’s 2020 iPhone roadmap.
- New iPhone “SE” to be called iPhone 9?
- Upgrade 275: “Remove All of the Holes”.
- The Mac IIfx debuted in March 1990 at a price of $9,900. Inflation adjusted, that’s $19,400 — give or take — in today’s dollars.
- Spectre, the greatest Mac game of all time (come at me).
- The language formerly known as “Perl 6” — first announced in July 2000 (!) — is now Raku. And Perl 5 — the one true Perl — is up to version 30.
- “Kotoba: The Best iOS Dictionary App You’ve Never Heard Of”.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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273: ‘My Cousin Hans’ With Rene Ritchie
December 31, 2019
•119m
It’s the last show of the decade. Special guest: Rene Ritchie.
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