
187: ‘Forget About Frodo and Sam’ With MG Siegler
The Talk Show With John Gruber
04/18/17
•146m
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MG Siegler returns to the show. Topics includes Virgin America's sad fate as a subsidiary of Alaska Airlines, the Touch Bar on the new MacBook Pros, "doing work" on an iPad Pro, Walt Mossberg, the absurd bloat of iOS apps, Clips, Netflix and Amazon's spending on video, and more.
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Links:
- MG: The Great Laptop Stagnation.
- MG: Death of a Virgin.
- MG: The Squid.
- Columbia Journalism Review's interview with Walt Mossberg.
- Mark Gurman's new weekly video show for Bloomberg.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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186: ‘Good News, My House Burned Down’ With Matthew Panzarino
April 13, 2017
•123m
Matthew Panzarino returns to the show for an in-depth discussion of last week's "future of the Mac Pro" round table discussion between a handful of Apple executives and journalists who cover the company. We talk about what went wrong with the 2013 Mac Pro design, speculate on the timeline of when Apple made this decision, why touchscreen Macs are almost certainly a bad idea even though a lot of people think they want one, and more.
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- Matthew’s story for TechCrunch on the Mac Pro meeting.
- Yours truly’s story for Daring Fireball.
- Apple CFO Luca Maestri on using Circle With Disney with his family. (In Italian.)
- Longtime Mac developer Dan Counsell on building a hackintosh.
- Jonathan Hoefler’s posted-to-Twitter critique of a work-in-progress typeface design from Louie Mantia.
- Notability, the app Hoefler & Co. use for annotating typeface designs on iPad Pro with Apple Pencil.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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188: ‘Apple VP Lisa Jackson’
April 21, 2017
•56m
Special guest Lisa Jackson — Apple’s vice president of Environment, Policy, and Social Initiatives — joins the show for an Earth Day discussion of the state of Apple’s environmental efforts: climate change, renewable energy, responsible packaging, and Apple’s new goal to create a “closed-loop supply chain”, wherein the company’s products would be manufactured entirely from recycled materials.
Full transcript of this episode.
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Links:
- Lisa Jackson’s bio.
- Apple’s 2017 Environmental Responsibility Report (PDF).
- Recycle your old Apple products.
- Apple’s charming series of animated spots on the environment by filmmaker James Blagden:
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