
Your Good Intentions Are Widening the Gap: What ENL Teachers Need to Hear
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05/25/26
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What does "stuck" actually look like in a classroom and whose job is it to fix it?
In this S5E39 Part 1 episode of @schoolutionspodcast, I sit down again with Beth Skelton and Tan Huynh to discuss their newest collaboration, Integrated Literacy for Experienced Multilinguals. They talk about why the phrase "long-term English learner" needs to go, and what "stuck" looks like in a classroom. This episode is a must-listen for any teacher looking to improve their English language instruction and support every student.
Beth shares a powerful classroom story about a ninth grader who could explain physics perfectly in social language but needed explicit support to reach academic language. Tan shares what it felt like to arrive in the U.S. as a five-year-old Vietnamese refugee and later be told his "creative" science writing wasn't science writing at all.
Some episode mentions👇
💫The Writing Revolution by Natalie Wexler and Judith Hochman
💫Long-Term Success for Experienced Multilinguals by Beth Skelton and Tan Huynh (their first book)
💫Integrated Literacy for Experienced Multilinguals by Beth Skelton and Tan Huynh (the new book)
💫The 2020 WIDA framework
💫The original WIDA "Can Do" philosophy
💫Ruslana Westerlund — contributor to the 2020 WIDA framework
Publications
💫Scientific American — mentioned as an example of science writing for non-scientists
🔑 Topics discussed:
➡️ Why "experienced multilingual" replaces deficit language around student engagement and student motivation
➡️ What stuck looks like and how it starts as early as 4th grade (classroom behavior vs. academic language)
➡️ Social language vs. academic language: the continuum and why it matters for active learning
➡️Why every content teacher is responsible for the language of their discipline and how that supports inclusive teaching
➡️Good-intentioned practices that actually increase the gap (a must-hear for instructional coaching and teacher support)
➡️ The equity argument for explicit instruction as the most generous form of culturally responsive teaching
More resources from Tan & Beth:
- Huynh, T. & Skelton, B. (2026).A Scaffolding Strategy to Help Experienced ELLs Express Complex Ideas. Edutopia
- Huynh, T., & Skelton, B. (2025).Sentence-Level Scaffolds That Foster English Learners' Independence and Growth. Edutopia
- Huynh, T., & Skelton, B. (2025).Adapting Gradual Release of Responsibility for English Language Learners. Edutopia
- Huynh, T., & Skelton, B. (2025).Using an Input-Output Loop to Help Newcomer Students Learn Class Content. Edutopia
Chapters:
0:00 Welcome & guest introductions
1:45 Research nugget: The Writing Revolution (Tan)
2:55 Research nugget: WIDA 2020 framework (Beth)
3:50 Why this book? Origin of Integrated Literacy for Experienced Multilinguals
5:40 Why "long-term English learner" needs to go (asset vs. deficit language)
7:50 What "stuck" looks like: the convex lens classroom story
11:00 Social language vs. academic language explained
13:00 Every content teacher IS a language teacher
14:40 Beth's husband's geology thesis (and why science writes in passive voice)
16:50 Tan's "sandwiched" rock layers story (two Englishes)
18:45 Lightning round: Q&A with Beth and Tan
22:00 Preview of Part 2 with the input-output loop & language domains
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What happens when the students whom everyone overlooks become the ones who change everything?
In Part 2 of this must-hear S5E38 @schoolutionspodcast conversation, Rachael Thrash shares the inspiring story about Angolan students in Portland, Maine, who turned their isolation into a school-wide soccer tournament, walks through her Actionable Participatory Model step by step, and gives you the one move you can make this Monday to start co-creation in your classroom today.
Rachael unpacks why shy students, multilingual learners, and kids who learn differently are the most silenced voices in schools, and exactly how strategic facilitation and inclusive teaching can change that. This is equity in education and school culture work at its most practical and most human.
💫Make sure to watch Part 1 & check out some of the resources mentioned:
- Rachael Thrash's website
- Let the Learners Lead: Empowering Student Voice to Co-Create School Culture by Rachael Thrash
- Baxter Academy for Science and Technology, Portland, Maine
- International School of Helsinki
Next Week: Tan Huynh and Beth Skelton are on a mission to reach the students everyone assumes are fine — experienced multilinguals who can chat in the hallway but still can't write a formal essay with ease. Tune in to learn about their new book, Integrated Literacy for Experienced Multilinguals, and for the personal stories, the framework, and the moves that offer these students the instruction they've always deserved.
Chapters:
0:00 — Hook: Angolan Students Who Changed Their Whole School
1:00 — Welcome Back & Part 2 Overview
1:30 — Case Study: Baxter Academy for Science and Technology, Portland, Maine
3:00 — How Isolation Became the Catalyst for Change
4:00 — From Problem to Proposal: The Soccer League Story
5:30 — The Confidence Ripple Effect — What the Biology Teacher Noticed
6:30 — Whose Voices Get Overlooked Most Often
7:30 — The Story of Risa: From Silent to Leading
9:00 — How a Student Leadership Retreat Changed Everything
10:00 — Introducing the Actionable Participatory Model
10:30 — Step 1: Relationship Building and Connection
11:30 — Step 2: Exploring What's Working and What Isn't
12:30 — Step 3: Imagining a Better School
13:00 — Step 4: Breaking Ideas Into Actionable Projects
14:00 — Step 5: Real Audience, Real Stakes
14:45 — Step 6: Reflection and Redefining Together
16:00 — Why This Book Is a Mentor Text for Teachers
16:30 — What the World Is Demanding of Kids Right Now
17:30 — Why Co-Creation Defies AI
19:00 — Regenerative Education and Hattie's Research
20:30 — Page 143: The Co-Create Framework Quote
22:00 — The One Move to Start This Work on Monday
24:00 — Key Takeaways and Call to Action
25:00 — Next Week Preview: Tan Huynh and Beth Skelton
26:00 — Outro and How to Work With Olivia Wahl
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Next week's conversation: Tan Huynh and Beth Skelton are on a mission to reach the students everyone assumes are fine — experienced multilinguals who can chat in the hallway but still can't write a formal essay with ease. Tune in to learn about their new book, Integrated Literacy for Experienced Multilinguals, and for the personal stories, the framework, and the moves that offer these students the instruction they've always deserved.
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What does it cost us when experienced multilinguals never receive the explicit academic language instruction they need, not just to pass a class, but to fully participate in school, in careers, and in life?
In this short from my S5E39 @schoolutionspodcast conversation, I sit down with authors Beth Skelton and Tan Huynh to unpack their newest book, Integrated Literacy for Experienced Multilinguals. Together they challenge the deficit-laden label "long-term English learner" and replace it with something far more accurate and empowering: experienced multilingual.
What does "stuck" actually look like in a classroom? It looks like a ninth-grader saying, "It gets bigger when it gets closer," and a well-meaning teacher accepting that answer and moving on. It looks like assuming students should already know academic language simply because they've been in the system for years. It looks like protection masquerading as support, and acceptance masquerading as high expectations.
Tan and Beth argue that every content teacher (science, math, social studies) is also a language teacher, whether they know it or not. The language of geology is not the same as the language of literary analysis. The language of a lab report is not the language of a hallway conversation. And when we stop assuming and start teaching explicitly, we close gaps and open futures.
As Tan says it best: "An experienced multilingual is not a struggling student. They are students in need of academic instruction."
Watch, reflect, and share Part 1 & Part 2 of our @schoolutionspodcast S5E39 interview.
📧 Book a coaching session with me here if you’d like a thought partner to help you cultivate curious learners who advocate for what they believe in.
Chapters:
0:00 – The Cost of Silence: What Society Loses
0:08 – The Danger of Assumptions in Schools
0:18 – What Could Students Do If We Just Taught Them?
0:28 – Reframing the Label: Not Struggling, Just Under-Taught
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