
Conversations with Tom | Thomas Chatterton Williams on How You Pull Yourself Out of the Matrix
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06/25/20
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On this episode of Conversations with Tom Bilyeu, Thomas Chatterton Williams tells his own story of unlearning poisonous stories about race through extensive reading, living in a new country, and reflecting on his own family. As the discussion progresses, he confronts the challenges we face in getting past mere anger to build the beautiful society that we ought to be able to live in.
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SHOW NOTES:
Thomas talks about a novel that he tried to write that he had to give up on [1:00]
Fiction is a very different medium from non-fiction writing and requires different skills [5:17]
Nothing is ever wasted, and the best of the lost novel ended up in his non-fiction work [9:00]
Thomas credits his father as being the first guy who “pulled himself out of the Matrix” [13:01]
Thomas tells the story of the poet he is named after [18:47]
Thomas then explains how he and his wife chose his daughter’s name [21:20]
Thomas describes how stepping out of America caused him to view race differently [24:26]
Thomas discusses the complexity of his heritage, ethnicity and ancestry [28:52]
Thomas hopes for a society where the skin color is as unimportant as hair color [32:00]
Do people want progress, or do they merely want catharsis and anger? [35:27]
The blanket of identity we throw over every issue obscures deeper problems [41:49]
Tom tells the story of how he started mining for astronauts in poor areas [48:14]
Should we focus on helping children? [56:08]
Children are never in a vacuum and you have to affect the whole family [1:00:55]
Thomas talks about how he and his brother pursued completely opposed paths [1:06:22]
Thomas discusses how he raises his kids [1:13:30]
Thomas defines the good life as autonomy, as living according to his own values [1:19:27]
Tom and Thomas discuss Hip Hop in the 90s and today [1:23:35]
How can we get past anger towards the beautiful society on the other side? [1:32:36]
What happens when people’s efforts are channeled in very limited ways? [1:40:26]
Building desire is one of life’s most important quests [1:52:45]
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- Health Theory: Mental & Physical Health
- Power Ups: Weekly Doses of Short Mot...
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On this episode of Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu, Ken Honda describes the first steps everyone needs to take to start healing their money wounds, and to transform money from something to be feared into something that brings peace and ease. He also goes into exquisite detail on the tough subject of how to find your gifts, and then how to go about making a living with them.
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SHOW NOTES:
The Zen approach is to find satisfaction in what you have instead of seeking more [1:20]
Ken’s first lesson about money was to forget about money [2:20]
Ken gives a surprising definition of what wealth means [5:12]
Money doesn't buy happiness, but it really is powerful [7:04]
People are afraid of money because of “money trauma”, often from parents [8:17]
The first step to taking control of your money narrative is gratitude and appreciation [12:15]
Focus on what you can give, and it what you will attract into your life [15:27]
How do you find your gifts, and how do you polish them into something extraordinary? [21:13]
Ken asks people literally a thousand questions to help them find their gifts [24:18]
Ken describes the way that you can monetize your gifts [26:30]
Ken advocates not comparing yourself to other people as a remedy for depression [29:47]
Ken shares the story of his upbringing, where he had money but not peace [32:19]
Ken shares another story of a man who committed family suicide [36:34]
Ken describes how the pain of his father and grandfather fuel him now [39:13]
Friendship is more protective than money [41:22]
Being in a no-money situation is uncomfortable, but it doesn’t kill you [43:49]
Ken describes cultural differences between Japanese and American attitudes [45:53]
Ken talks about what he would do if he lost all his money [50:08]
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Are You Ready for EXTRA Impact?
If you’re ready to find true fulfillment, strengthen your focus, and ignite your true potential, the Impact Theory subscription was created just for you.
Want to transform your health, sharpen your mindset, improve your relationship, or conquer the business world? This is your epicenter of greatness.
This is not for the faint of heart. This is for those who dare to learn obsessively, every day, day after day.
Subscription Benefits:
- Unlock the gates to a treasure trove of wisdom from inspiring guests like Andrew Huberman, Mel Robbins, Hal Elrod, Matthew McConaughey, and many, many, more
- New episodes delivered ad-free
- Exclusive access to Tom’s AMAs, keynote speeches, and suggestions from his personal reading list
- You’ll also get access to an 5 additional podcasts with hundreds of archived Impact Theory episodes, meticulously curated into themed playlists covering health, mindset, business, relationships, and more:
- Legendary Mindset: Mindset & Self-Improvement
- Money Mindset: Business & Finance
- Relationship Theory: Relationships
- Health Theory: Mental & Physical Health
- Power Ups: Weekly Doses of Short Motivational Quotes
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On this episode of Women of Impact, Lisa and Tom Bilyeu talk about how to deal with differing values and opposing ideas. They discuss creating shared goals, how they build positive habits, and their methods of making sure that conversations stay open, respectful and honest. And then they give a wonderful example of good communication by examining a real life conflict they have had over making the bed...
SHOW NOTES:
When you are having arguments about money, you are really having conflicts over values [2:48]
Concrete advice on how to minimize financial conflicts [6:59]
When you have a collision of values, part of it is that you are judging each other [9:07]
Why you have to start with shared goals and open discussion of those goals [11:02]
Tom and Lisa discuss corporal punishment, spanking and discipline [14:08]
Tom and Lisa talk about having differing religious beliefs and how they dealt with it [19:50]
What do you do when your habits and routines conflict? [23:47]
How to form habits that help your relationship [27:13]
Whenever you have conflicts over “small issues”, they are actually about deep values [31:10]
The problems that happen when you don’t articulate your values and just project instead [36:47]
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Are You Ready for EXTRA Impact?
If you’re ready to find true fulfillment, strengthen your focus, and ignite your true potential, the Impact Theory subscription was created just for you.
Want to transform your health, sharpen your mindset, improve your relationship, or conquer the business world? This is your epicenter of greatness.
This is not for the faint of heart. This is for those who dare to learn obsessively, every day, day after day.
Subscription Benefits:
- Unlock the gates to a treasure trove of wisdom from inspiring guests like Andrew Huberman, Mel Robbins, Hal Elrod, Matthew McConaughey, and many, many, more
- New episodes delivered ad-free
- Exclusive access to Tom’s AMAs, keynote speeches, and suggestions from his personal reading list
- You’ll also get access to an 5 additional podcasts with hundreds of archived Impact Theory episodes, meticulously curated into themed playlists covering health, mindset, business, relationships, and more:
- Legendary Mindset: Mindset & Self-Improvement
- Money Mindset: Business & Finance
- Relationship Theory: Relationships
- Health Theory: Mental & Physical Health
- Power Ups: Weekly Doses of Short Motivational Quotes
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