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06/12/20
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On this episode of Conversations with Tom, host Tom Bilyeu and guest Daniel Schmachtenberger engage in a fascinating discussion about social media, neural warfare, game theory, power itself, and the ways that our society has over-optimized. In particular, they talk about why it’s so important to stop trying to be right, why we need to start thinking in more complex ways, and why the real battlefield is the human mind.
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SHOW NOTES:
Daniel was home-schooled, allowed to study whatever he thought was most important [0:30]
Daniel’s parents actually referred to his family as an “experiment” [3:40]
By the time a child goes to school, civilization has already been imprinted on them [6:04]
Daniel advocates that optimization is actually a part of the problem [8:37]
Daniel details exactly why trying to optimize leads to serious problems [13:14]
Daniel talks about how to understand civilization’s history through game theory [18:40]
Some kinds of value can be extracted and lead to power, and other kinds can’t [20:57]
Daniel uses the example of COVID-19 to illustrate the problems with optimization [25:48]
How can we think in complex ways that respect the interconnected nature of existence [30:41]
It’s much easier to break things than it is to build complex systems [35:39]
Tom and Daniel discuss whether it’s possible to nudge people in the right direction [38:16]
Social media will lead us to war even though no one wants it [46:01]
Daniel and Tom discuss the connections between high school bullying and terrorism [51:12]
If you aren’t considering counter-responses, you are just being emotionally hijacked [58:56]
People’s minds are the battlefield [1:04:17]
There are no authorities that are trustworthy enough to just assume they are right [1:09:59]
Do you want to be effective or do you want to be right? [1:15:15]
Daniel explains how people become fundamentalist about things they are wrong about [1:19:45]
Debates are often not about understanding. They are just dogfights. [1:28:48]
Legitimate power is when I am trying to influence someone to be more self-directed [1:32:03]
Tom explains the relief of focusing on finding the right answers instead of being right [1:35:35]
If you want to be right, you are very easy to control. Fragile egos are vulnerable. [1:39:55]
Capitalism, the Trump campaign and Christianity have all been antifragile so far [1:42:33]
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On this episode of Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu, Anthony Trucks shares his stories of a brutal childhood, a difficult adulthood, and a marriage that he and his wife had to rebuild after her infidelity. As he tells his own story, he offers surprising and insightful commentary on the progress America has to make, and the work each individual has to do to make that progress real.
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SHOW NOTES:
Anthony explains how he remains grateful despite how hard his life has been [1:19]
Anthony describes growing up angry, dispirited and aggressive as a foster kid [3:30]
Anthony talks about how he used “dark energy” on his drive to greatness [6:34]
Tom and Anthony discuss what it means to be “bathed in discomfort” [11:18]
When someone gives you abuse and you don’t accept it, they have to walk off with it [15:33]
What is the value of emotions like anger and even rage? [19:10]
Anthony describes being able to see two sides of white America as a black man [26:08]
Anthony confronts the difficulty of white and black America understanding each other [28:28]
Anthony explains his path to recreating his marriage and forgiving his wife [35:24]
Anthony explains why he stayed in the marriage instead of finding someone new [42:27]
Anthony shares the reasons he has hope for this society [45:27]
Why you shouldn’t rob your kids of their hardships [48:21]
How do you deal with the structure of a society that was built out of oppression? [54:17]
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- Legendary Mindset: Mindset & Self-Improvement
- Money Mindset: Business & Finance
- Relationship Theory: Relationships
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On this episode of Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu, he lays out the most fundamental aspects of a good leader. Adam and Tom discuss humility, integrity and the importance of being a giver, not a taker. They also delve deep into the idea of “cognitive entrenchment”, which is a deadly trap that everyone has to deal with, no matter how educated, informed, or driven they are.
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SHOW NOTES:
What are the universal principles of leadership? [1:29]
Are you a giver or a taker? [2:42]
Adam explains how to be successful as a giver, and the main traps to avoid [4:31] I
f you want to lead, you must keep people’s attention on the message, not on you [6:30]
A leader is like a shepherd, very rarely out in front of the flock [10:03]
Adam describes the skills leaders need to acquire, and the criticism they need to seek [13:12]
Adam explains why he works so hard to avoid getting caught up in being right [17:01]
Teams who have too many superstars don’t win championships [20:53]
The leader of a team is often the person who most exemplifies what the group stands for [24:48]
Adam describes “cognitive entrenchment” where experts get mentally stuck [25:37]
Tom and Adam discuss the need for hyper-specific goals and testable hypotheses [28:47]
Is there a point where the constant need for personal growth actually becomes harmful? [33:33]
Tom talks about being a synthesizer, instead of being the thinker of original thoughts [37:13]
Do you care about what you want to say, or about what people will actually hear? [40:36]
Adam talks about why he doesn’t always follow his intuition [42:04]
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If you’re ready to find true fulfillment, strengthen your focus, and ignite your true potential, the Impact Theory subscription was created just for you.
Want to transform your health, sharpen your mindset, improve your relationship, or conquer the business world? This is your epicenter of greatness.
This is not for the faint of heart. This is for those who dare to learn obsessively, every day, day after day.
Subscription Benefits:
- Unlock the gates to a treasure trove of wisdom from inspiring guests like Andrew Huberman, Mel Robbins, Hal Elrod, Matthew McConaughey, and many, many, more
- New episodes delivered ad-free
- Exclusive access to Tom’s AMAs, keynote speeches, and suggestions from his personal reading list
- You’ll also get access to an 5 additional podcasts with hundreds of archived Impact Theory episodes, meticulously curated into themed playlists covering health, mindset, business, relationships, and more:
- Legendary Mindset: Mindset & Self-Improvement
- Money Mindset: Business & Finance
- Relationship Theory: Relationships
- Health Theory: Mental & Physical Health
- Power Ups: Weekly Doses of Short Motivational Quotes
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