450: ‘Perp Walk for Selfies’, With Jason Snell
The Talk Show With John Gruber
06/23/26
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Jason Snell returns to the show for a look back at WWDC 2026, and a look ahead to Designed in California, his and Myke Hurley’s upcoming 50-episode Apple history podcast.
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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.
Links:
- “Designed in California” — Kickstarter campaign running through the end of June 2026 to fund Jason and Myke Hurley’s 50-episode Apple history podcast. If you don’t back this you’re not hooked up right.
- WebKit in Safari 27 changes and notes, from the WebKit blog.
- Helium — My favorite Chromium browser for the Mac. Fast, free, no bloat.
- Camino — An open source Mac-assed web browser based on the Mozilla engine from the 2000s. Last updated in 2012, but, blessedly, the website still works. When it was discontinued I described it as “like a glass of ice water on a hot day for Mac users who wanted a modern but Mac-like browser in the early years of Mac OS X.”.
- Photos of John Ternus and Tim Cook at Apple’s WWDC post-Keynote “Tech Talk”:
- Jason on BBEdit 16, the world’s greatest text editor.
- Jason, writing at Macworld, on the foundation of Apple’s OS 27 updates.
- Jason, writing at Macworld, on Mac OS X Snow Leopard back in 2009. (The update cost $29 — which we thought was cheap, because previous Mac OS X updates cost $129.)
- Boston College’s Schiller Institute for Integrated Science and Society.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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Recorded in front of a live audience at The California Theatre in San Jose on Tuesday 9 June 2026, special guests Joanna Stern and Nilay Patel join John Gruber to discuss Apple’s announcements at WWDC 2026.
Video: This show is available to watch on YouTube.
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- Finalist — A daily planner for iPhone, iPad and Mac, built on proven paper-based planning methods. DF readers get six months free; details at the link.
Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.
Links:
- Apple’s WWDC keynote and State of the Union videos.
- New Things — Joanna’s new thing.
- I Am Not a Robot — Joanna’s new bestselling book on consumer AI.
- Sandwich — the team behind the video version of this show.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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451: ‘Taking Drugs to Get Fat’, With John Moltz
June 30
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The great John Moltz returns to the show. Topics include Apple’s hardware price hikes in response to the global RAM/SSD shortage, and some spitballing on what we like about the UI changes in the MacOS 27 Golden Gate beta.
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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.
Links:
- RAM Doubler and DiskDoubler, which came from two different developers.
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- “Apple in China” by Patrick McGee.
- Patrick McGee on The Talk Show last year.
- “Go Computer Now!”, Ben Zotto’s book on Sphere Computer Corporation.
- Movies:
- "Apple Faced Bipartisan Opposition When It Last Lobbied to Buy Chinese RAM in 2022".
- Gnome, Lex Friedman's clever new animated GIF search/library utility for Mac and iOS. (Also: My link to Gnome at DF.)
- Biff! -- Moltz's fun superhero TV/movie podcast cohosted with Dan Moren and Guy English.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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