447: ‘A Sociopathic Father’, With Adam Lisagor
The Talk Show With John Gruber
05/15/26
•135m
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Adam Lisagor returns to the show to talk about Hovercraft, his new virtual presentation camera app for Mac, and how he's developing it with AI coding tools. Also, delicious Japanese spite sandwich cookies.
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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.
Links:
- Hovercraft — A virtual presentation camera for Mac.
- Theater — Sandwich Vision’s theater experience app for VisionOS.
- Television — Sandwich’s, well, television experience app.
- Cursor — Adam’s preferred coding agent.
- Birdhouse, Adam and Cameron Hunt’s “Notepad for Twitter” from 2009.
- Noir — Delicious Japanese spite sandwich cookies.
- Allen Pike.
- Yojimbo.
- The graph I generated, using AppleScript and Numbers, of the new Yojimbo items I’ve created per year.
- Canon’s XL1 digital video camera from 1998.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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446: ‘Food and Beverage Director’, With MG Siegler
April 30
•166m
MG Siegler returns to the show to discuss Apple’s announcement that Tim Cook is stepping aside (into the role of executive chairman) and John Ternus will become CEO.
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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.
Links:
- Apple Newsroom:
- MG, at Spyglass:
- Yours truly:
- Steven Levy:
- 2008: “Joe Nocera Gets a Call From Steve Jobs”.
- 2010, regarding Mark Papermaster, whom Steve Jobs fired just weeks after the iPhone 4 antennagate press conference: “Papermaster and That Damn Antenna.”
- “Look at how many blueberries your muffin has, and how many mine has. Yours is falling apart. I have nothing.”
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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Stephen Hackett returns to the show to help me make sense of a problem that is hard even to describe, let alone solve, regarding Apple One, family sharing, a separate Media & Purchasing account, and iCloud storage space. Also: what we’re expecting from WWDC 2026.
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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.
Links:
- Cross Forward — David Smith’s suite of iOS apps, where Stephen is now managing director.
- 512 Pixels.
- Connected — The weekly podcast Stephen co-hosts with Myke Hurley and Federico Viticci.
- Apple Support:
- Stephen’s post on the restrictions around Apple Account migration.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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