432: ‘You and Frank Sinatra’, With Dan Moren
The Talk Show With John Gruber
10/26/25
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Dan Moren returns to the show. Topics include Atlas, ChatGPT's new web browser (or anti-web browser) for the Mac; Apple's loss in a "landmark" regulatory lawsuit in the UK regarding App Store commission rates; multiple reports of poor sales for the iPhone Air; and Apple's M5 product announcements: MacBook Pro, iPads Pro, and Vision Pro.
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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.
Links:
- Sleep++, David Smith’s iOS sleep app that ties into Apple Health data, and gives what I think is a much more accurate and interesting “sleep score” than does Apple Health itself in iOS 26.
- ChatGPT Atlas: new Chromium browser for Mac:
- OpenAI’s announcement.
- Their promotion to get 7 days of higher ChatGPT usage if you make, and keep, Atlas as your default browser.
- Anil Dash: “ChatGPT’s Atlas: The Browser That’s Anti-Web”.
- Simon Willison’s initial thoughts.
- Michael Tsai’s roundup of links.
- Reuters: “Apple Loses Landmark UK Lawsuit Over App Store Commissions”.
- Multiple reports suggest the iPhone Air is not selling well.
- But it seems like Apple isn’t doing any advertising for the iPhone Air (or regular iPhone 17) at all — (yet?).
- Dan’s Six Colors coverage of the M5 speed bump updates from Apple:
- Dan’s review of the new Dual Knit Band for Vision Pro (which is now the only band included by default with the M5 models).
- My piece on the M5 announcements.
- Dan’s previous appearance on The Talk Show, from October last year, talking about — déjà vu — new Mac hardware.
- “&udm=14” — AI-overview-free Google search, from Ernie Smith. Also: My DF post about it back in May.
- Dan’s personal website, with links to his science fiction novels and short stories.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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John Moltz returns to the show to talk about the iPhone 17 lineup: the iPhone 17 Pro and Pro Max, iPhone 17, and the no-number iPhone Air. Not one word about baseball, but some Star Wars talk may or may not have snuck in.
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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.
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- Halide -- a great iPhone camera app with a "Technical Readout" feature that provides detailed specs regarding every camera on your phone.
- Techmeme's roundup of iPhones 17 reviews that actually were published on the embargo date.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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Special guest Brian Mueller, developer of Carrot Weather, joins the show to commemorate the 10th anniversary of his utterly ridiculous but totally serious weather app.
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