
416: ‘A Professional Internet User’, With Vlad Prelovac
The Talk Show With John Gruber
12/24/24
•152m
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Kagi founder and CEO Vlad Prelovac joins the show to talk about the business of web search, the thinking behind Kagi’s own amazing search engine, and their upstart WebKit-based browser Orion.
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Unofficial but surprisingly good transcripts.
Links:
- Kagi.
- Kagi Blog.
- Kagi Search Stats.
- Kagi Feedback, the Kagi Search issue tracker.
- Orion — Kagi’s lightweight WebKit-based native browser for Mac and iOS.
- Vladimir Prelovac’s homepage.
- Apple’s 1987 “Knowledge Navigator” concept video, which supposedly took place in the “future” of 2011.
- Wikipedia entry.
- Daring Fireball, 2011: “The Type of Companies That Publish Future Concept Videos”.
- Wikipedia: “Essential facilities doctrine”.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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415: ‘A Good Duck Butt’, With Allen Pike
December 2, 2024
•152m
Special guest Allen Pike joins the show to talk about the state of generative AI and how Apple Intelligence measures up (so far). Also: some speculation on Apple’s pending acquisition of the ever-difficult-to-pronounce Pixelmator.
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Links:
- Allen’s blog.
- Allen’s take on Apple Intelligence, so far: “It’s Good for Apple, and Okay for You”. (Includes the Image-Playground–generated derpy-looking images of Allen that we discuss on the show.)
- Forestwalk Labs — Allen’s new startup.
- Allen’s podcasts:
- CGP Grey and Myke Hurley discuss how Apple Intelligence message suggestions feel “anti-human” on Cortex ep. 161.
- Cursor — “The AI Code Editor”.
- Rich Sutton’s 2019 essay “The Bitter Lesson” (“The biggest lesson that can be read from 70 years of AI research is that general methods that leverage computation are ultimately the most effective, and by a large margin.”)
- AMC’s “Halt and Catch Fire”, which ran four seasons from 2014–2017.
- Ellen Cushing for The Atlantic: “Thanksgiving Should Be in October”.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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417: ‘Nothing Is Possible’, With Paul Kafasis
February 24, 2025
•120m
Special guest: Paul Kafasis. Special topics: Siri/Super Bowl nonsense, “Gulf of Mexico/America” nonsense, the iPhone 16e gets announced, and a veritable Bond villain buys the rights to the James Bond movie franchise.
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Unofficial but surprisingly good transcripts.
Links:
- Super Bowl nonsense:
- Every play featured in the 1977 CBS "NFL Today" opening credits would be a severe penalty for violence in today's NFL. Video on YouTube; story on Awful Announcing.
- Apple in 2017, [encouraged people to ask Siri questions about the Super Bowl]( https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/01/hey-siri-whos-going-to-win-the-super-bowl/ ).
- Paul's post at One Foot Tsunami: "Not So Super, Apple".
- My post: "Siri Is Super Dumb and Getting Dumber".
- "Gulf of Mexico" nonsense:
- Daring Fireball: "Golfo del Gringo Loco".
- Paul, thoughtfully: "Do Not Obey in Advance".
- "Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 16e Announcement".
- Rogue Amoeba: "The Developers Who Came in From the Cold".
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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