
395: ‘I’m a Real-World Man’, With Adam Lisagor
The Talk Show With John Gruber
02/12/24
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Adam Lisagor returns to the show to discuss, while wearing, Apple Vision Pro.
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Links:
- My review of Vision Pro.
- My follow-up: "Simple Tricks and Nonsense".
- Sandwich.
- Newton Connection Kit.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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394: ‘An Impossible Balcony’, With Matthew Panzarino
January 31, 2024
•143m
Matthew Panzarino -- proprietor of the excellent new website/newsletter The Obsessor -- returns to the show to talk about -- what else? -- the Vision Pro.
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Links:
- My review of the Vision Pro.
- Techmeme's roundup of reviews.
- The Obsessor.
- TipTop.
- The Atari 400, with the most craptacular keyboard I've ever used.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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396: ‘The Essence of Stealing’, With David Barnard
February 29, 2024
•218m
Special guest David Barnard joins the show. Topics include the App Store — past, present, and post-DMA future — and the excellent new update to his app Weather Up.
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Links:
- Weather Up.
- On the App Store.
- Screenshot of two Weather Up widgets showing somewhat different forecasts via two different weather sources.
- RevenueCat.
- Sub Club Podcast.
- “How to Game the App Store” — an unfortunately still-relevant piece David wrote back in 2018.
- Trip Cubby — first link on Daring Fireball to one of David’s apps, in September 2008 (just two months after the App Store opened).
- March 2008 Apple event announcing the iPhone SDK and App Store.
- WWDC 2010 keynote: iPhone 4 and iAds announced.
- Aaron Hillegass’s acclaimed books on Objective-C and Cocoa programming.
- Ben Bajarin, Creative Strategies.
- Fakespot — Mozilla’s tool for identifying scams and fake reviews.
- City on Fire — Ringo Lam’s 1987 Hong Kong action movie, starring the great Chow Yun-fat, that inspired Tarantino’s Reservoir Dogs.
- Apple’s nearly ruinous “Look and feel” lawsuit against Microsoft in 1994.
- “Good artists copy, great artists steal.”
- David, in a blog post from 2011: "Great Developers Steal Ideas, Not Products".
- David, on Twitter/X, with a more accurate ballpark estimate of Meta's average revenue per user (ARPU) in the EU: roughly $4 per user per app per quarter. They could pay Apple's €0.50 per app installation per year Core Technology Fee without breaking a sweat.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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