
381: ‘Tape Deck Dongle’, With Joanna Stern
The Talk Show With John Gruber
07/11/23
•115m
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Joanna Stern returns to the show. Topics include the launch of Threads, Apple’s Vision Pro, and iPhone/iCloud device security. Also, some accidental car talk.
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Links:
- Joanna’s Rock ’Em Sock ’Em CEOs, Zuck vs. Musk Edition.
- Joanna and Nicole Nguyen’s investigative series for the WSJ on organized thieves stealing Apple IDs after stealing iPhones and gleaning their passcodes:
- Me and Joanna trying to figure out whether Facebook should make an iPad app or web app next for Threads. (It’ll probably be the web app.)
- Hillary Clinton joins Threads with a joke, and the top replies are civil and fun.
- Paris Hilton’s collection of old — really old — phones.
- Mark Zuckerberg posting on Threads:
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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380: ‘The M Is for Magnificent’, With Matthew Panzarino
June 30, 2023
•124m
Matthew Panzarino returns to the show for a post-WWDC discussion about Vision Pro and VisionOS.
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Links:
- Panzarino’s first impressions of Vision Pro.
- Yours truly’s.
- Lenticular lenses and screens.
- James Thomson demoing PCalc running as a native VisionOS app in the SDK simulator.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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382: ‘What’s Happening‽’, With Craig Hockenberry
July 31, 2023
•99m
Craig Hockenberry, the special guest with the special fleshy palms, returns to the show. Topics include Twitter/X, foldable phones, and our favorite features in iOS 17 now that it’s in public beta.
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Links:
- Craig’s weekend fun: updating Twitter’s “How to Tweet” support document to “How to X”. Surprisingly funny.
- Adam Sandler’s “Ode to My Car”:
- “Car honk” radio-friendly version, which really is even funnier than the album version.
- Album version, replete with cuss words.
- The Iconfactory.
- Triode: “The best way to enjoy all of your favorite Internet radio stations wherever you go.”
- The rest of their excellent lineup of apps.
- Furbo, Craig’s blog.
- Morton Downey Jr., “trash TV” pioneer.
- Studio Neat’s Material Docks, perfect for the upcoming Standby mode in iOS 17.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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