
339: ‘2006: Hard Work’, With Ken Kocienda
The Talk Show With John Gruber
02/28/22
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Special guest Ken Kocienda, author of Creative Selection, joins the show to talk about his years at Apple and the creation of the original iPhone.
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Links:
- Up Spell — Ken’s iOS word game.
- “Wallaby” iPhone prototype hardware.
- Steve Jobs’s quote on the wall outside Town Hall at Infinite Loop: “If you do something and it turns out pretty good, then you should go do something else wonderful, not dwell on for it too long. Just figure out what’s next.”
- Kim Scott’s books: Radical Candor and Just Work.
- DF’s 15-year anniversary post, with word counts.
- Stephen King’s On Writing.
- Andy Hertzfeld’s history of the original Mac:
- Humane — The totally secret startup where Ken is now working.
- Job openings at Humane.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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338: ‘That’ll Pivot His Tables’, With Rene Ritchie
February 25, 2022
•122m
Rene Ritchie returns to the show to talk about unwanted AirTag tracking, and what we expect from Apple’s rumored March product event.
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Links:
- Apple Support: “Set up home theater audio with HomePod mini or HomePod and Apple TV 4K”.
- AirTags and Stalking:
- 2016 Cult of Mac story on stalking via location embedded in Instagram photos.
- Apple leaks “realityOS” name, again.
- MacRumors: “Reliable Leaker Known as ‘Kang’ Hit With Warning From Apple”.
- Mark Gurman’s February 20 “Power On” column on Apple’s purported March 8 event.
- Rene on M2 MacBook rumors.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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340: ‘Billionaires Have Beefs’, With Tom Watson and Daniel Agee
March 9, 2022
•119m
Special guests Tom Watson and Daniel Agee join the show to talk about Glass, their upstart photo sharing app and community.
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Links:
- Glass on the web.
- Glass on the App Store: “No ads, no algorithms.”
- Tweet thread between Marques Brownlee and Adam Mosseri on the lack of an iPad app for Instagram.
- Image viewing comparison between Glass and Instagram.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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