
328: ‘The Warden’s Dilemma’, With Ben Thompson
The Talk Show With John Gruber
11/13/21
•118m
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Dithering CEO Ben Thompson returns to the show to go deep on the concept of the metaverse.
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- Ben’s piece at Stratechery on the metaverse and the enterprise.
- Ben’s interview with Mark Zuckerberg.
- Facebook’s 2021 Connect keynote.
- Steven Levy’s interview with Niantic Labs founder and CEO John Hanke: “AR Is Where the Real Metaverse Is Going to Happen”.
- WALL-E’s dystopian vision of compulsive VR/AR addiction.
- Dithering: Two episodes per week, 15 minutes per episode. Not a minute less, not a minute more.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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327: ‘Giddy With Mac-Ness’, With Daniel Jalkut
October 31, 2021
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Special guest Daniel Jalkut returns to the show to talk about the new MacBook Pros.
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329: ‘The Scotland Board of Tourism’, With David Smith
November 24, 2021
•89m
Special guest David Smith returns to the show to talk about Apple Watch Series 7 and the state of WatchOS, Apple suing NSO Group, and more.
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- David's post about wildcamping in Scotland with Apple Watch Series 7.
- David's excellent apps: Widgetsmith, Watchsmith, Pedometer++, Sleep++, and more.
- Problematic Forbes story: "Apple Quietly Buying Ads Via Google For High-Value Subscription Apps To Capture App Publisher Revenue".
- Apple sues NSO Group.
- NYT: "Apple Sues Israeli Spyware Maker, Seeking to Block Its Access to iPhones".
- Skyfall Road Pin on Google Maps.
- Under the Radar.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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