
292: ‘Not the Batman We Want or Need’, With Rene Ritchie
The Talk Show With John Gruber
08/20/20
•159m
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Rene Ritchie returns to the show. Topics include Phil Schiller advancing to Apple Fellow, Microsoft’s simmering spat with Apple over Xbox Game Pass and the App Store’s ban on game streaming services, and Epic’s sizzling spat with Apple over, well, the entire concept of iOS as we know it.
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- Beats 1 is now Apple Music 1 (and the Beats brand is probably not long for this world).
- Apple Newsroom: Phil Schiller advances to Apple Fellow.
- The Curious Editing of 'Artemis Fowl'.
- John August’s Arlo Finch series, which is unrelated to Artemis Fowl but very cool nonetheless.
- Rene on Apple’s decision not to allow Xbox game streaming on iOS.
- Epic goes to war with Apple over the App Store.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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291: ‘Algorithms, How Do They Work?’, With Nilay Patel
July 31, 2020
•141m
Nilay Patel returns to the show to discuss this week’s House antitrust hearing featuring testimony from Tim Cook, Jeff Bezos, Sundar Pichai, and Mark Zuckerberg.
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- Full 5.5-hour video of the hearing.
- Casey Newton at The Verge: “Overdue, messy, and unsatisfying — but also a necessary part of a hugely important conversation”.
- Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) and famed character actor M. Emmet Walsh, who was born to play him.
- Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) grilling Jeff Bezos on anti-competitive business practices at Amazon.
- Lina M. Khan: “Amazon’s Antitrust Paradox”. Seminal paper published in The Yale Law Journal in 2017.
- The Verge on the 2010 emails between Phil Schiller, Eddy Cue, and Steve Jobs that set the rules that keep Amazon from selling Kindle books in their iOS app.
- Tim Wu’s The Curse of Bigness.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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293: ‘I’m More of a Porkins Guy’, With Anil Dash
August 27, 2020
•143m
Special guest Anil Dash joins the show. Topics include the 25th anniversary of Windows 95, and the parallels between the cyber era of computing and today’s App Store controversies.
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- Anil on Windows 95.
- Jason Snell with the Mac user’s (and MacUser’s) take on Windows 95.
- My take on Snell’s take.
- Microsoft’s Windows 95 “Start Me Up” commercial.
- Francisco Tolmasky’s observation on Apple’s control over iOS stifling innovation.
- Glitch.
- Boscov’s.
- How 728,000 “E.T.: The Extra Terrestrial” Atari 2600 cartridges wound up in a landfill.
- Vectrex, the vector-display home video game system I nearly pissed my pants to play.
- Classic Mac OS’s curiously-named built-in text editor TeachText and its successor, SimpleText.
- OS/2 Warp.
- OS/2 Frequently Launched Criticisms.
- Michael Sippey demoing TypePad for iPhone at WWDC 2008.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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