
280: ‘The Subtle Difference Between Hand Sanitizer and Vodka’ With Matthew Panzarino
The Talk Show With John Gruber
03/26/20
•146m
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Matthew Panzarino returns to the show. Topics include the brand new MacBook Air and iPad Pros, and, you know, global pandemics in the internet age.
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Links:
- My dumb handwashing tweet from back in 2009.
- Daniel Jalkut’s beautiful song inspired by that dumb tweet.
- Ronny Chieng’s hilarious Netflix standup special.
- My take on the new MacBook Air.
- My take on the new iPad Pros.
- Panzarino’s take on the new iPad Pros and relying on one as his only travel computer for the last 18 months.
- Also from Panzarino: “Half-Life: Alyx Delivers the Watershed Moment VR Gaming Needs”.
- “Do Not Drink”.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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279: ‘Chain of Precision’ With Jason Snell
March 17, 2020
•139m
Jason Snell returns to the show. Life during the COVID-19 pandemic, WWDC going online-only, Apple's in-person on-campus workplace culture, speculation on upcoming Apple product releases, and more.
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Links:
- Don Schaffner’s thread on the safety of takeout.
- From the DF archive back in 2004: “Dashboard vs. Konfabulator”.
- Google pays Apple a fortune to remain the default search engine in Safari.
- MacRumors: Some Apple Employees Say Company’s Culture of Secrecy Makes Working From Home Challenging.
- “Be fast, have no regrets” — pandemic response advice from Dr. Michael J Ryan.
- Panic’s Audion Story
- Panic Podcast: “Audion and On”
- The Incomparable’s Star Wars listen-along commentary special
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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281: ‘A Kryptonian Baby’ With Rene Ritchie
March 31, 2020
•140m
Rene Ritchie returns to the show to talk about going independent after 11 years at iMore. Topics include the new MacBook Air and iPad Pros, and we answer questions sent by listeners.
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Links:
- Rene’s new YouTube channel.
- And his new website. (Great logo.)
- “The Best Is Last”: 2016 piece by Benedict Evans arguing that “a technology often produces its best results just when it’s ready to be replaced — it’s the best it’s ever been, but it’s also the best it could ever be”, using the specific example of propeller-based passenger planes.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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