
264: ‘Apple Is Not a 4-Star Company’ With Joanna Stern
The Talk Show With John Gruber
09/25/19
•144m
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Very special guest Joanna Stern returns to the show. Topics include Apple’s event earlier this month, the iPhone 11 and 11 Pro, iOS 13, and how we go about writing (and shooting) our product reviews.
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Links:
- Joanna’s review of the iPhones 11.
- Joanna’s second review: “An iPhone 11 Review for Owners of Aging iPhones”.
- My reviews of the iPhones 11 and Apple Watch Series 5
- Steve Jobs on stage in 2010, angrily demanding the press turn off their mobile Wi-Fi hotspots.
- What it’s like to demo a game live on stage at an Apple event.
- “Appl Still Hasn’t Fixd Its MacBook Kyboad Problm” — Joanna’s incredible column on the MacBook butterfly keyboard saga.
- “I’ve fallen and I can’t get up!” — classic commercial for LifeCall.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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263: ‘The Dumbest Thing Possible’ With Dan Frommer
September 9, 2019
•127m
Special guest Dan Frommer returns to the show for a preview of this week’s Apple event.
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- The New Consumer — Dan’s new subscription newsletter.
- “What to Do When SIM-Swapping Happens to You”.
- Gruber and Merlin: Obsession Times Voice at SXSW 2009.
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- Jon Ostrower’s The Air Current.
- The Points Guy.
- Ben Thompson’s Stratechery.
- Neil Cybart’s Above Avalon.
- The “iPhone Math” rumor.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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265: ‘Thompson’s Razor’ With Ben Thompson
October 8, 2019
•145m
Special guest Ben Thompson returns to the show. Topics include the latest Surface hardware announcements from Microsoft, the state of the iPhone, and bulk purchases of charcoal.
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Links:
- The Seattle Times: “Whistleblower: Boeing Rejected 737 Max Safety Upgrades Before Fatal Crashes”.
- Matt Stoller on the disastrous leadership at Boeing after merging with McDonnell-Douglas.
- The biggest announcements from Microsoft’s 2019 Surface event.
- Yours Truly: “Apple and Hong Kong”.
- Ben Thompson: “The China Cultural Clash”.
- Microsoft’s Sculpt Ergonomic Keyboard.
- The old Microsoft Courier prototype.
- iPhone “8S” rumors (a.k.a. the new iPhone SE).
- Luna Display — use your iPad as a second Mac display without upgrading to MacOS 10.15 Catalina.
- MacBook Pro displays, circa 2015, with bad anti-reflective coating.
- Steve Jobs making peace with Bill Gates and Microsoft at Macworld Expo New York 1997: “We have to let go of this notion that for Apple to win Microsoft has to lose.”.
- Microsoft’s 2010 “funeral” for the iPhone on the streets of Redmond.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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