
192: ‘The Original Sin Is XML’ With Special Guests Manton Reece and Brent Simmons
The Talk Show With John Gruber
05/31/17
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Manton Reece and whisky-soaked baritone Brent Simmons join the show to talk about JSON Feed, the new spec they co-authored for syndicating things like blog posts and podcasts. We talk about their longstanding mutual interest in [Userland Frontier][f] -- Dave Winer’s groundbreaking scripting environment from the early ’90s -- and how that background and their mutual love for publishing on the open web and the democratization of technology ultimately led to the creation of JSON Feed, as well as their other new projects: Manton’s [Micro.blog][m] publishing platform, and Brent’s new open source Mac app, announced for the first time right here on the show. And of course a brief look ahead to next week’s WWDC 2017.
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Links:
- JSON Feed
- Micro.blog — Manton’s new publishing platform.
- Evergreen — Brent’s new open source Mac app.
- Userland Frontier.
- Workflow.
- IFTTT.
- Feedbin.
- Seneca: “The Shortness of Life”.
- Yours truly back in 2009: “Twitter Apps Are a UI Playground”.
- Manton’s old Tweet Library app.
- “App: The Human Story” screening and panel discussion at WWDC 2017
- xkcd’s “We need to develop one universal standard that covers everyone’s use cases!” comic.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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May 27, 2017
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Special guest Jim Dalrymple returns to the show to speculate about what Apple might announce at the upcoming WWDC 2017: Apple Watch, iPad, iOS, updated MacBooks, Apple TV, and more. Also: a celebration of the great Roger Moore.
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- Car reviewer Nick Murray on Alcantara, the synthetic leather Microsoft is using for their new Surface Laptops.
- CNBC: Tim Cook spotted testing Apple Watch glucose monitor.
- Marc Haynes on meeting Roger Moore as a 7-year-old in 1983.
- Fred Brooks’s “The Mythical Man Month”.
- Seth Weintraub’s preview of iOS 7 a few days before it was announced at WWDC 2013.
- Bozoma Saint John on Instagram.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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Recorded in front of a live audience at The California Theatre in San Jose, John Gruber is joined by Phil Schiller and Craig Federighi to discuss the news from WWDC: new Mac hardware, the new iPad Pro, Mac OS 10.13 “High Sierra”, iOS 11, the upcoming HomePod, and more.
A full text transcript is available, by Serenity Caldwell.
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Links:
- The WWDC 2017 keynote.
- The new iOS App Store.
- New iMacs.
- The upcoming iMac Pro.
- MacOS 10.13 High Sierra.
- New iPad Pro models.
- iOS 11
- HomePod.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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