
Trump Freezes Trillions. Chaos Ensues.
The Daily
01/29/25
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In one of his most audacious moves since taking office, President Trump ordered a freeze on Tuesday on trillions of dollars in federal money — from anti-poverty programs to foreign aid — in order to purge the government of what he called woke ideology.
Michael D. Shear, a White House correspondent for The New York Times, discusses the order, the chaos it prompted and whether it is likely to survive in court.
Guests: Michael D. Shear, a White House correspondent for The New York Times.
Background reading:
- A judge stayed President Trump’s freeze, but disruption to the Medicaid funding system caused fear.
- Uncertainty around the freeze also caused chaos in education.
Photo: Doug Mills/The New York Times.
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The Legal Battle Riveting Hollywood
January 28, 2025
•32m
Warning: This episode contains descriptions of alleged sexual harassment, and a fictional portrayal of domestic violence.
Over the last few weeks, the Hollywood stars Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni have gone to battle over exactly what happened during the making and promotion of their latest film.
It’s a dispute that has pulled back the curtain on an alleged smear campaign and the new set of tools that celebrities can use to defend themselves and redefine their enemies in the court of public opinion.
Megan Twohey, an investigative reporter at The New York Times, discusses the legal complaint that started it all.
Guests: Megan Twohey, an investigative reporter at The New York Times.
Background reading:
- “We can bury anyone”: Inside a Hollywood smear machine.
- Mr. Baldoni and his publicists have sued The New York Times for libel over its reporting about Ms. Lively’s allegations.
Photo: (l-r) Lia Toby/Getty Images; John Nacion/Variety, via Getty Images.
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How R.F.K. Jr. and ‘Medical Freedom’ Rose to Power
January 30, 2025
•35m
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. faced a crucial nomination hearing on Wednesday where a panel of skeptical senators probed his past, often contentious remarks.
Sheryl Gay Stolberg, who covers health policy for The Times, explains how someone who’s considered on the fringe in a lot of his beliefs came to be picked for health secretary to begin with.
Guests: Sheryl Gay Stolberg, a correspondent based in Washington covering health policy for The New York Times.
Background reading:
- How addiction and trauma shaped Mr. Kennedy’s turbulent life.
- In the hearing, Mr. Kennedy defended his shifting views on vaccines and abortion.
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