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No More Refugees, Trump Said. Except White South Africans.

The Daily

05/19/25

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For decades, white South Africans ruled with an iron fist, overseeing the country’s apartheid system of racial oppression.

Why is President Trump now welcoming them to the United States as victims?

John Eligon, the Johannesburg bureau chief for The New York Times, explains how the MAGA movement became obsessed with Afrikaners.

Guest: John Eligon, the Johannesburg bureau chief for The New York Times.

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Photo: Ilan Godfrey for The New York Times

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Today, we hear some of the most moving and surprising listener messages. Then, the Modern Love editor Daniel Jones discusses how we fall in love, and what the famous “36 Questions That Lead to Love” reveal about that process. And finally, Mandy Len Catron, the writer who popularized the 36 questions in her Modern Love essay, “To Fall in Love With Anyone, Do This," tells us whether she’s still in love with the same man 10 years later.

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Editors note: After this Modern Love episode was originally published, Mandy Len Catron got married. You can read about her wedding in the Vows section of the Times.

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Over the past few days, the health of former President Joseph R. Biden Jr. has been called into focus with the disclosure that he has an aggressive form of prostate cancer.

At the same time, Democrats are undertaking a painful re-examination of what went wrong with Joe Biden’s campaign for re-election, and the Trump White House has released embarrassing audio of Biden being interviewed.

The Times journalists Michael Barbaro, Reid J. Epstein, Lisa Lerer and Tyler Pager sit down to make sense of it all.

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