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How Trump Is Scaring Big Law Firms Into Submission

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03/18/25

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After engaging in a campaign of retribution against his enemies within the federal government, President Trump is turning to those outside of it.

Michael S. Schmidt, an investigative reporter for The New York Times, explains what that retribution has looked like for a single law firm — and the impact it has had on the entire legal profession.

Guest: Michael S. Schmidt, an investigative reporter for The New York Times, covering Washington.

Background reading:

  • The law firm Perkins Coie has sued the Trump administration over an executive order that would make it all but impossible for the firm to advocate for its clients.
  • The president’s use of government power to punish law firms is seen by some experts as undercutting a basic tenet: the right to a strong defense.

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