
China Took His City. And Now His Father.
The Daily
02/27/26
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When pro-democracy protesters marched in the streets in Hong Kong in 2019, China responded by arresting thousands, including the leaders of the movement.
One of the arrested was Jimmy Lai, who had used his newspaper to campaign for democracy. This month, he received a 20-year jail sentence.
In an interview, Michael Barbaro speaks to Mr. Lai’s son, Sebastien Lai, about the sentence, what it means for the pro-democracy movement and where Hong Kong may go from here.
Guest: Sebastien Lai, a democracy activist and the son of the pro-democracy media entrepreneur Jimmy Lai.
Background reading:
- A Hong Kong court sentenced Jimmy Lai to 20 years in prison.
- The sentence for the media mogul shows how Hong Kong enforces Xi Jinping’s red lines with a new severity.
- Listen to our interview with Jimmy Lai from 2020.
Photo: Andrew Testa for The New York Times
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When Mexican forces captured and killed the country’s most-wanted cartel boss, it revealed how much President Trump’s growing pressure is forcing Mexico to take on cartels.
Maria Abi-Habib and Jack Nicas, who covered the developments, discuss the operation to take down the leader known as El Mencho, and Mexico’s efforts against some of the world’s most powerful criminals.
Guest:
- Maria Abi-Habib, an investigative correspondent for The New York Times based in Mexico City.
- Jack Nicas, the Mexico City bureau chief for The New York Times.
Background reading:
- Mayhem rocked Mexico after the killing of El Mencho.
- Analysis: Mexico is caught between Mr. Trump and the cartels.
- Analysis: In nearly 60 years of the war on drugs, what has actually worked?
Photo: Luis Cortes/Reuters
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