A Shutdown Where None of the Normal Rules Apply

The Daily

10/17/25

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Under normal circumstances, the profound pain of a government shutdown compels both parties to negotiate a quick resolution on behalf of the American people. But, so far, nothing about this shutdown is normal.

Times journalists Michael Barbaro, Tyler Pager, Catie Edmondson and Tony Romm sit down to discuss why this shutdown feels so different.

Guest:

Tyler Pager, a White House correspondent for The New York Times, covering President Trump and his administration.
Catie Edmondson, a congressional correspondent for The New York Times.
Tony Romm, a reporter covering economic policy and the Trump administration for The New York Times, based in Washington.

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President Trump’s unilateral spending cuts could complicate a shutdown deal.
The Trump administration said it would pay some ICE and T.S.A. agents during the shutdown.

Photo: Tierney L. Cross/The New York Times

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