Shell Game: Minimum Viable Company
Radiolab
12/05/25
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A year ago we brought you a show called Shell Game where a journalist named Evan Ratliff made an AI copy of himself. Now on season 2 of the show, Evan’s using AI to do more than just mimic himself — he’s starting a company staffed entirely by AI agents, and making a podcast about the experience. The show is a smart, funny, and truly bizarre look at what AI can do—and what it can’t.
This week we bring you the first episode of Shell Game Season Two, Minimum Viable Company. You can sign up to get the rest of the Shell Game ad-free, and the Shell Game newsletter, at shellgame.co .
EPISODE CREDITS:
Shell Game
Hosted by Evan Ratliff,
Produced and edited by Sophie Bridges.
Shell Game’s Technical Advisor Matty Bohacek
Executive Produced by Samantha Henig, Kate Osborn and Mangesh Hattikudur at Kaleidoscope
and Katrina Norvell at IHeart Podcasts.
Radiolab portions
Hosted by Simon Adler
Produced by Mona Madgavkar.
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Produced by - Simon Adler
Original music from - Simon Adler
Sound design contributed by - Simon Adler
Fact-checking by - Anna Pujol-Mazzini
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