Listener Tales 74 with Jon Lee Brody
Morbid
05/25/23
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We've got a listener tale up in here!! This week we are joined by Alaina's #bffAF, the one and only Jon Lee Brody. On today's installment we feature stories of spooky road adventures, badass moms, asshole friends & some demon encounters.
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Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)
Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)
Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash Kelley
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Previous Episode
H.H. Holmes Part 5
May 22, 2023
•91m
In the final chapter of our coverage of H.H.Holmes, we talk about the theories connecting him to Jack the Ripper, his final days on the run and a trial and execution that has gone down in history.
Thank you to Dave White for research assistance.
References
Boston Daily Globe. 1895. "At Burlington." Boston Daily Globe, August 8: 7.
—. 1894. "Believes husband dead." Boston Daily Globe, November 20: 1.
—. 1894. "Believes husband dead." Boston Daily Globe, November 20: 1.
—. 1895. "Hard and Selfish." Boston Daily Globe, August 7: 5.
—. 1894. "In the toils." Boston Daily Globe, November 18: 1.
—. 1895. "Mother's Love." Boston Daily Globe, August 6: 5.
Chicago Chronicle. 1895. "Tells of one crime." Chicago Chronicle, July 30: 2.
—. 1895. "Trail of the fiend." Chicago Chronicle, July 21: 1.
Chicago Tribune. 1894. "Spins his own web." Chacgo Tribune, November 22: 1.
—. 1895. "Holmes recognized in Toronto." Chcago Tribune, July 17: 12.
Daily Boston Globe. 1895. "Good Fisherman." Daily Boston Globe, August 9: 4.
Galveston Daily News. 1894. "Two Texas Girls." Galveston Daily News, November 22: 1.
Geyer, Frank P. 1896. The Holmes-Pitezel Case: A History of the Greatest Crime of the Century and of the Search for the Missing Pitezel Children. Philadelphia, PA: Publishers' Union.
Kerns, Rebecca, Tiffany Lewis, and Cailtin McClure. 2012. Herman Webster Mudgett: Dr. H.H. Holmes or Beast of Chicago. Lecture, Radford, VA: Department of Psychology, Radford University.
Larson, Erik. 2003. Devil in the White City: Murder, Magic, and Madness at the Fair that Changed America. New York, NY: Crown Publishers.
Mudgett, Herman W. 1895. Holmes' Own Story. Philadelphia, PA: Burke and McFetridge Company.
New York Times. 1895. "A boy Holmes' first victim." New York Times, July 31: 3.
—. 1896. "Appeal of murderer Holmes." New York Times, February 4: 8.
—. 1895. "Claims an alibi." New York Times, July 17: 1.
—. 1896. "Holmes cool to the end." New York Times, May 8: 1.
—. 1895. "Holmes enters a plea of guilty." New York Times, May 29: 1.
—. 1896. "Holmes in a ton of cement." New York Times, May 9: 1.
—. 1895. "Holmes sentenced to die." New York Times, December 1: 13.
—. 1894. "May be charged with murder." New York Times, November 19: 2.
—. 1895. "The Williams girls' fate." New York Times, July 21: 10.
Philadelphia Inquirer. 1894. "Cause of death a mystery." Philadelphia Inquirer, September 6: 6.
—. 1896. "Holmes' chronology." Philadelphia Inquirer, April 12: 18.
—. 1896. "Holmes Confesses 27 murders." Philadelphia Inquirer, April 26: 1.
Philadelphia Times. 1894. "All looking for Pitezel." Philadelphia Times, November 21: 1.
—. 1894. "Perry's Peculiar Death." Philadelphia Times, September 5: 3.
Selzer, Adam. 2017. H.H. Holmes: The True History of the White City Devil. New York, NY: Skyhorse Publishing.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch. 1894. "Arrested Again." St. Louis Post-Dispatch, July 29: 8.
Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)
Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)
Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash Kelley
Listener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra Lally
Listener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025)
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Next Episode
The Pamela Smart Case (Part 1)
May 29, 2023
•100m
Mention the Pamela Smart case to someone in New Hampshire, and they'll know exactly what you're talking about. The case captivated the nation in the early 90's and at the center of it all, of course, was Pamela. A New Hampshire native, she had big dreams of becoming somebody and making a name for herself. She moved away from her small town and almost did, but in the name of love she moved back home and settled into her career as a School Administrator. It was via that position that she would meet young sophomore in High School, Billy Flynn. Pam groomed the boy, and had him thinking they were fully in love before she asked him a question that would change both of their lives forever: Would he murder her husband? In part one we'll cover the early life of both Pam and her husband, Gregg Smart, we'll break down how Pam and Billy became involved with each other and just how Pam got Billy to believe that murdering her husband was what it would take for them to be together forever.
Special thank you to the brilliant David White for research assistance
References
Baker, Frank. 1990. "Smart to be jailed until trial." Concord Monitor, August 14: 1.
—. 1990. "Widow charged as accomplice." Concord Monitor, August 2: 14.
Carton, Barbara. 1991. "The Pamela Smart story." Boston Globe, Marcg 21.
1991. NH v. Smart: Opening Statements. Directed by Court TV. Performed by Court TV.
Derry News. 1990. "Family and friends puzzle over murder." Derry News, May 4: 1.
Englade, Ken. 1991. Deadly Lessons. New York, NY: St. Martin's Press.
Gaines, Judith, and Alexander Reid. 1991. "Jurors say tales a key to their decision." Boston Globe, March 23: 1.
Hernandez, Monica. 2023. Accomplice in Smart murder asks for sentence reduction. January 10. Accessed May 1, 2023. https://www.wmur.com/article/smart-murder-vance-lattime-sentence-reduction/42449265.
Hohler, Bob. 1991. "3 guilty in N.H. killing." Boston Globe, January 30: 1.
—. 1991. "Confidant was wired by police." Boston Globe, March 15: 21.
—. 1991. "Smart is found guilty." Boston Globe, March 23: 1.
—. 1991. "Smart pleaded for life, N.H. teen-ager testifies." Boston Globe, March 6: 19.
—. 1991. "Tales of seduction." Boston Globe, March 12: 1.
—. 1990. "Tape offered at Smart hearing." Boston Globe, August 14.
—. 1991. "Witness: Smart asked for tips on reaction." Boston Globe, March 3: 27.
—. 1991. "Youth says blood flowed, tears did not." Boston Globe, March 13: 35.
Kilgannon, Corey. 2023. "Smart, who plotted with a teen lover to kill her husband, loses a parole bid." New York Times, March 30.
Kittredge, Clare. 1991. "A verdict to take to son's grave." Boston Globe, March 23: 1.
—. 1991. "Smart trial garners big TV audience." Boston Globe, March 17: 1.
Richardson, Franci. 1990. "Mrs. Smart absolutely convinced husband surprised thief." Derry News, May 9: 1.
Sawicki, Stephen. 1991. Teach Me to Kill: The Shocking True Story of the Pamela Smart Murder Case. New York, NY: Avon Books.
Schweitzer, Sarah. 2015. "5 years later, shooter to go free: William Flynn was 16 when he was lured into murder by Pamela Smart." Boston Globe, March 13: A1.
State of New Hampshire v. Pamela Smart. 1993. 622 A.2d 1197 (Supreme Court of New Hampshire, February 26).
Wang, Beverley. 2005. "Pamela Smart accomplice released." Concord Monitor, June 15: 10.
West, Nancy. 2016. Breaking Silence: Cecelia Pierce Speaks. October 12. Accessed April 24, 2023. https://www.nhmagazine.com/breaking-silence-cecelia-pierce-speaks/.
West, Nancy, and David Mendelsohn. 2016. Pamela Smart: innocent of (still) guilty. October 13. Accessed April 29, 2023. https://www.nhmagazine.com/pamela-smart-innocent-or-still-guilty/
https://www.bostonherald.com/2015/03/09/brother-of-pamela-smarts-victim-killer-did-his-time/
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