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Agalisiga Mackey: Cherokee Language, Alive in Song

Conversations with Musicians, with Leah Roseman

10/25/25

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Cherokee singer-songwriter Agalisiga “The Chuj” Mackey shares the story behind his debut country-folk album, created entirely in the Cherokee language with producer Jared Tyler. He discusses language revitalization, the Cherokee syllabary, immersion schools, and the impact of boarding schools. Agalisiga also reflects on Indigenous history, cultural preservation, and his musical influences—showing how traditional language and contemporary music can keep a culture thriving.

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(00:00) Intro

(02:39)Cherokee culture and language

(10:11)When I was a Boy Tsitsutsa Tsigesv

with clip

(13:24) developing Cherokee language and culture app

(17:31) forced relocation Trail of Tears

(22:00) Agalisiga’s elders, legacy of boarding schools

(28:55) Tiny Desk experience, clip Daganigisi (I’m Gonna Leave)

(32:18) other episodes linked and ways to support this project

(33:05) Sequoyah’s Syllabary, Cherokee sounds and culture

(41:33) musical influences, clip of Gatlohiha (I’m Crying)

(48:19) Bringing the language into the present, creating the album, Jared Tyler, clip of Dvkiyohiselvi (I Shall Be Released)

(57:47) Anvdvnelisgi ᎠᏅᏛᏁᎵᏍᎩi album

(59:16) family, learning Spanish

(01:02:11) bringing the culture into the present

Previous Episode

Gaelynn Lea is a violinist, singer-songwriter, disability rights advocate, author, and public speaker. Born with osteogenesis imperfecta, Gaelynn began her musical journey with the support of a childhood music teacher and her musical family. You’ll hear about how her big break happened when she won NPR Music’s Tiny Desk Contest in 2016, which led to a fascinating creative life which in the last few years has included international touring and scoring Macbeth on Broadway, starring Daniel Craig and Ruth Negga. Gaelynn is really open to trying new things, and this really came through as she talked to me about how she’ll never have enough time to explore all her curiosities, reflections on her first compositions and songs, how she collaborated with mentors Alan Sparhawk, and Charlie Parr, and how she created a new musical fable for the stage called Invisible Fences with disabled storyteller Kevin Kling.

You’ll be hearing clips from some of Gaelynn’s albums during the podcast, and her Bandcamp is linked in the show notes for you. We begin with a look at her upcoming memoir—It Wasn’t Meant to Be Perfect— a warm, funny and deeply-felt exploration of disability, music, and the messy creativity of an artist’s life. I plan to welcome Gaelynn back for a future episode focused on that work. You can find the pre-order link in the show notes. It will be published by Algonquin Press in April 2026.

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Gaelynn Lea Website Albums on Bandcamp

Order It Wasn’t Meant to be Perfect Invisible Fences with Kevin Kling

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photo: Explore Duluth

(00:00) Intro

(03:32) Gaelynn’s upcoming memoir—It Wasn’t Meant to Be Perfect

(10:42) Macbeth score and album, meeting Michael Stipe, Whippoorwill Arts Fellowship

(16:02) about “Perfect”, with clip from Macbeth album

(18:50) Gaelynn’s childhood, learning the violin in an adapted way, her instruments

(26:20) decision not to have surgery

(29:01) Someday We’ll Linger in the Sun with clip

(32:06) other episodes you’ll love, ways to support this independent project

(32:53) how winning Tiny Desk changed her life and for her husband

(38:32) disability visibility, mindset, beginning of song-writing and composing Alan Sparhawk, Charlie Parr

(45:56) The Long Way Around with clip from The Living Room Sessions

(49:46) Dragons and Fairies with clip from The Living Room Sessions, joys of improvisation, looping

(54:45) fiddle repertoire, jamming in Edinburgh

(59:45) Invisible Fences with Kevin Kling, disability activism, psychological challenges

Next Episode

This week’s episode is a personal one for me, since Jennifer Johnson has been helping me gain more ease and comfort in violin playing and living in general. An understanding of Body Mapping will help you whether you play an instrument, sing, or simply go about your daily life. Jennifer Johnson is a violinist, film maker, and the author of several books including “What Every Violnist Needs to Know About the Body”. She’s an internationally sought-after Master Teacher and Teacher Trainer in Body Mapping and is renowned for her expertise in helping musicians to move according to the design of their bodies to prevent playing injuries and promote ease.

I also wanted to shine a light on Jennifer’s film Music, Movement & Transformation: The Body Mapping Story, which is partly a beautiful tribute to her inspiring mentor Barbara Conable.

I’m sure you’ll find this conversation with Jennifer is full of actionable tips and insights to help you, including some of the best advice about dealing with stage fright that I’ve ever heard.

Complete show notes: including links for Jennifer's film, her website, my newsletter, podcast merch and linked episodes with transcript and video.

(00:00) Intro

(01:59) string quartet career, injury, Alexander Technique, meeting Barbara Conable, Body Mapping

(11:05) Body Mapping, common mismappings

(17:29) transformations, stories of Body Mapping success

(25:50) film "Music, Movement & Transformation: The Body Mapping Story”, Duane Andrews, Murat Eyuboglu

(36:51) other linked episodes, ways to help this series

(37:36) worldwide community of Body Mapping educators

(41:23) Jennifer’s books, backwards walking, 6 places of balance

(53:04) humero-scapular rhythm

(58:39) film, Barbara Conable quotes, instrument-specific books

(01:04:16) stage fright advice

(01:10:44) how to teach Body Mapping to children

photo: Colette Phillips

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