The Fable Ban's Unintended Consequences + AI's New Economics — With Aaron Levie
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06/22/26
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Aaron Levie is the co-founder and CEO of Box. Levie joins Big Technology Podcast live from the Big Technology AI Summit to discuss the government-mandated recall of Anthropic's Fable and Mythos models and what it reveals about where AI regulation is heading. Tune in to hear Levie argue that the recall — far from a conspiracy to kneecap the frontier labs — may be the closest thing yet to the "AI pause" critics have demanded, why he thinks the government is now effectively in the model-approval business, and how that shift could hand China the long-term economic edge. We also cover whether "token maxing" was ever real, why the application layer may capture more value than anyone expected, the open-weight models closing in on the frontier, and a quick lightning round on Siri, the "permanent underclass" meme, and SpaceX. Hit play for one of the sharpest, funniest reads on the AI moment you'll find anywhere, only on Big Technology.
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Ranjan Roy from Margins is back for our weekly discussion of the latest tech news LIVE from Big Technology AI Summit. We cover: 1) Do Snapchat Specs signal the end of AR glasses 2) What should an AI device do? 3) Audience questions from the Big Technology AI Summit! 4) How should companies plan for such fast moving technology? 5) What's the ideal AI device form factor? 6) Can AI models be more useful for biology? 7) Can the U.S. and China get along on AI? 8) What responsibility do AI companies have to society? 9) Ex-Meta CSO Alex Stamos joins us to talk Fable's cyber-risks 10) Is it marketing or is it material?
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Mike Krieger is the head of Anthropic Labs and co-founder of Instagram. Krieger joins Big Technology Podcast live from the Big Technology AI Summit to discuss what it's like inside Anthropic the week the government forced the company to pull its frontier models, Fable and Mythos, off the market. Tune in to hear Krieger describe how working with Fable changed the way he builds — queuing up a full night of work before bed and waking to find it finished in an hour — why he insists Anthropic's safety warnings are material rather than marketing, and how Anthropic navigates being both a platform and a product as it competes with the companies building on top of it. Wired senior correspondent Lauren Goode joins as a co-interviewer. Hit play for a rare look inside the lab from the person building Anthropic's next breakout product.
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