Queer Comics: with Vivian Kleiman, Documentary Filmmaker, Behind the Scenes of 'No Straight Lines'
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02/15/23
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Today, I’m joined by Peabody Award-winning documentary filmmaker Vivian Kleiman. In her latest film, No Straight Lines: The Rise of Queer Comics, Vivian offers an intimate look at five pioneers of queer comics: Alison Bechdel, Rupert Kinnard, Howard Cruse, Jen Camper, and Mary Wings. The film also introduces a new generation of LGBTQ+ artists creating comics. In our conversation, Vivian and I discuss how this project came about and her thought process behind certain cinematic touches. Vivian hits on some of the storytelling conflicts she went through while creating the film, including how to bring the viewers into the hearts and minds of the featured artists.
We also talk about what it means for a film like this to be picked up by PBS, given the current political climate. Although she originally imagined No Straight Lines on a streaming platform like Netflix or HBO, it ultimately landed with Independent Lens, the independent documentary film branch of PBS. Vivian shares her approach to conforming with the FCC guidelines in a way that honors the content, but makes it available to a wide audience.
You can watch No Straight Lines for free on PBS until April 23, 2023. If you’re catching this episode after that date, it’s still available for a small fee as a PBS member.
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Topics Covered:
● Why Vivian pursued this film, even though she doesn't identify as a ‘comic geek’
● The importance of having queer stories represented in comics that are humorous, but also poignant
● How Vivian came up with a way to portray these artists and their work in a dynamic way
● Celebrating Tongues Untied, a landmark film she produced with Marlon Riggs, entering into the in the National Film Registry
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February 8, 2023
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Today, I’m joined by award-winning comedian, author, and podcaster Rosie Wilby to discuss her latest book, The Breakup Monologues: The Unexpected Joy of Heartbreak. Rosie has a generous and open-minded way of talking about breakups, heartbreak, and all the messiness in-between.
In our conversation, Rosie shares what it was like to rehash old relationships when researching this book. We especially bond over the idea of falling in love with someone who is so utterly unavailable and how painful it can be to hold onto a relationship that’s doomed for failure.
Rosie also unpacks how she uses humor to process her experiences and invite people to look at their relationships through a new lens. You’ll hear in the short excerpt that she shares how witty and painfully relatable her comedy is.
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● What inspired Rosie to write a book about breakups
● How unrequited love can psychologically push you into new growth
● Stylistic choices that Rosie made to demonstrate how the ending of one chapter is always the beginning of another
● How Rosie uses comedy as a tool to make topics like infidelity, breakups, and heartbreak accessible to a broad audience
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● The Breakup Monologues: The Unexpected Joy of Heartbreak
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Today, I’m joined by Ajuan Mance, a visual artist and educator who recently published an illustrated encyclopedia titled, Living While Black: Portraits of Everyday Resistance. The book features around forty illustrations of activities that are perfectly legal, but for which African Americans have been arrested, harassed, or even killed. In our conversation, Ajuan provides some context for why she created this body of work and reflects on stylistic choices, including her decision to portray Black people how she sees them: resilient, loving, and joyful.
There’s a powerful juxtaposition in the formatting of the book. On one side of the page, Ajuan includes colorful illustrations of everyday life, and on the other side, there’s a description of the weighty subject matter. Whether it’s a glare at a high-end supermarket or a not-so-routine traffic stop, Living While Black illuminates stories that don't make the major news cycle, but are so important to understand the daily discrimination that Black people endure for simply existing. Ajuan also highlights some of her personal takeaways from the illustration process. The scope and age range of Black people who are subject to violence continues to shock her, but she hopes this book will call attention to the narratives and stereotypes that deeply harm her community.
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Topics Covered:
● Ajuan’s personal relationship to Living While Black
● What it was like for Ajuan to do such a large collection of drawings around the violence and harassment of Black people
● Ajuan’s decision to include a timeline of events at the end of the book
● How the non black people's perceptions of African Americans put African Americans in danger
● Ajuan’s strategy for illustrating the community that’s left in the wake of traumatic events
● The message that Ajuan hopes to leave readers with
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● Living While Black: Portraits of Everyday Resistance
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